So I'd like to broach a stand up comedy topic, the likes of which has frequently been broached before. The other day I met up with some compadres for a joke-writing session. There were four of us total at the mah-jongg table, minus the combative nature of a good Chinese tile game session. First of all, I think the main purpose for writing with other people is running your ideas by another jokester's brain―similar to lobbing tennis balls over the net easy, hoping for a nice safe validation of a return*. But I face the same problem every time I write with other people. I feel weird sharing my ideas. That's right. The very purpose of getting together with others is wasted because Team Self-Esteem wants to tyrannically rule EgoWorld for another day.
Chiefly, I worry about things like this happening:
Comrade: Aparna, why don't you share a joke now?
Aparna: Oh no, it's ok. I'm still trying to get my notes together.
(Repeat this 3 times throughout joke-writing session)
Comrade: Aparna, I have to go in five minutes.
Aparna: (cautiously) Oh! Ok so I did have this one idea...
Comrade: I'm all ears!
Aparna: Alright, so I was walking on the street the other day...[yada, yada, fetus of a premise]
Comrade: (delicately raises one eyebrow then the other, searches for words, suddenly, lightbulb-over-head face) Oh, that reminds me! I have a new tag for my pogostick joke!
Aparna: (feels bad about herself)
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That's not to say that happens all that often. In fact, on more than one occasion, I've shared a mere idea blip, and it's been well-received. But then I realize I don't really want anyone else's help in writing out a joke because that feels like cheating. Yeah I said it. Cheating. Because if the other person goes somewhere better with my premise, it feels like it should be their joke, not mine. Even if they say, "no, it's yours, take it. Also, take my wife, please!"―it still feels kind of dirty. One possible solution is trying the joke onstage before taking it into a workshop format. At least that gives me a better idea of where I'd like to go with it, if anywhere, and helps me feel more in control.
Conversely, I don't mind helping other people with their jokes because it would never occur to me to take someone else's idea just because I helped them with it a little. Double standard, me!
there's nothing wrong with teamwork so share the ball.
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Maybe the real issue here is I expect crumbs of genius to fly out of my mouth regularly during comedy writing sessions, and that's just not realistic. There will be hits, and by George of the Jungle, there will be misses! I still come up with a great deal of my material 10 minutes before I get onstage, or when I'm standing somewhere without a pen or a piece of paper.
Mos definitely, I think I write with other people because I am absolutely 100% bonafide lazy when it comes to making myself write on my own. Believe me, I've tried. Usually, I open up my notebook, smile wistfully at some underdeveloped premise embryos, and then just end up doodling question marks everywhere until the page looks like a 13-year-old's heartfelt 6th-period tribute to the Riddler.
So I think I will continue writing in groups―even if just to create the illusion of friendship. Speaking of which, I forgot to say that part. It helps to write with people with whom you are on good terms. As opposed to people for whom you harbor an intense secret dislike. You're welcome.
*Yes, I like analogies. Analogies are to me what cheese is to a baguette. Vital and sustaining!
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Thursday, March 13, 2008
Writing in a Group But Feeling So Alone!
Posted by Aparna at 12:52 PM
Labels: aparna, jokewriting, stand up, writing in groups
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I'm not hating but writing with people who don't get you is the most counter productive thing one can do. I did that for two years and I sucked for two years. I'm just saying
that is a great point, and i support your right to say it. also i'm mad i didn't include it in my post.
Good stuff Aparna. It's always hard to share your creative ideas with other people, especially people whose respect you want to have or hold on to (till death or midnight curfew do you part).
I think one thing that's really important to a writing session is withholding evaluation and judgment at first.
In my experience, a lot of my best jokes have grown out of other mediocre and often unrelated jokes which themselves then become vestigial appendages waiting to be cut out the moment something goes wrong. But if I had just given up on the original joke because it wasn't up to snuff then I would never have gotten to the better joke that came out of it.
Jokes in progress are really delicate things and it's better to start off just trying to help them grow rather than to immediately begin pruning. I know it seem obvious to say this, but I can think of a number of times when I've been writing with someone and I throw an idea out there and they just say something like "That's a terrible idea" or "that's not funny" or whatever. Instead it would probably be better to just try to run with it and come up with other tangential ideas or even just free associate from there.
Critical evaluation is really important to the creative process, but I think it should come after brainstorming, once an idea has had a chance to breathe.
"vestigial appendages" - ha, you rule.
Aparna, just wear rainbow colored suspenders...after each punch line, pull on them and imitate a fire truck like a five-year old would...you can sell anything.
Mikael J
mikael, you've done it again! hats off to you! i tried this for my stuffed animals last night. they ate it up.
A camel is a horse by committee.
Sorry, that sounded a lot less pretentious in my head.
are you saying i have a humpback?
and if so, is that a good thing?
If by "humpback" you mean "astute observer of the art and practice of comedy" . . . then, yes.
Is that a good thing? Does Anderson Cooper have a taut backside?
Duh, like, everyone knows that's like an objective, irrefutable fact!
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